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- Tyrion Tannister
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Tyrion Tannister Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:10 pm
On the evidence of last night, we appear to have a lot of possibility for change within our starting eleven. Why our current set up is sound defensively, our reserve 11 last night showed some subtle changes could bring quite a lot of attacking threat. At Fulham away I reckon we should be going for it - Leaving with zero points isn't the end of the world but 3 could definetely brighten our season up.
In Malky's shoes, this is what I would do -
- Swap Bellamy for Noone. Noone is more dangerous in attack, and he showed his defensive work could aid Taylor significantly
-Swap Gunnarrson for Mutch. I'm a fan of Gunnarrson, I've defended him this weekend. This swap isn't a critiscism, it's just a straight swap of a defensive player for a more offensive player. This would pivot our midfield three from two defensive and one offensive, to one defensive and two offensive.
- Odemwingie to start, with Campbell settling on the right wing. Odemwingie looked more confident holding the ball up front than campbell, who is very much a 'burst of energy' player. Plus Odemwingie and Noone are more up to par with Campbell's speed. A big problem with our attack is Campbell racing away, but Bellamy and Whittingham having to pull up short gasping for breath. Odemwingie, Campbell and Noone would hopefully fix this.
So in summary, my formation would now be this -
Marshall
Theophile, Caulker, Turner, Taylor
Medel
Whittingham, Mutch
Campbell. Noone
Odemwingie
Controversial decision dropping Kim, I know in advance. I'd want Whitts and Kim occupying the same role, and I think Whitts suits the wing focused play more and also Kim could be devestating played as a 60 minute impact sub, his trickery could play havoc with tired legs.
Agree/ disagree? Any other ideas?
In Malky's shoes, this is what I would do -
- Swap Bellamy for Noone. Noone is more dangerous in attack, and he showed his defensive work could aid Taylor significantly
-Swap Gunnarrson for Mutch. I'm a fan of Gunnarrson, I've defended him this weekend. This swap isn't a critiscism, it's just a straight swap of a defensive player for a more offensive player. This would pivot our midfield three from two defensive and one offensive, to one defensive and two offensive.
- Odemwingie to start, with Campbell settling on the right wing. Odemwingie looked more confident holding the ball up front than campbell, who is very much a 'burst of energy' player. Plus Odemwingie and Noone are more up to par with Campbell's speed. A big problem with our attack is Campbell racing away, but Bellamy and Whittingham having to pull up short gasping for breath. Odemwingie, Campbell and Noone would hopefully fix this.
So in summary, my formation would now be this -
Marshall
Theophile, Caulker, Turner, Taylor
Medel
Whittingham, Mutch
Campbell. Noone
Odemwingie
Controversial decision dropping Kim, I know in advance. I'd want Whitts and Kim occupying the same role, and I think Whitts suits the wing focused play more and also Kim could be devestating played as a 60 minute impact sub, his trickery could play havoc with tired legs.
Agree/ disagree? Any other ideas?
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davewebber65 Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:30 pm
i would agree with some of your selections, but for different reasons. am not really a fan of gunnarsson, who i rate as little more than a town bully. so it would be a straight swap, skill for thugery.
would have odemwinge for bellers
would have odemwinge for bellers
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Cyncoedslumdog Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:48 pm
Agree with most of that with modifications!Red614 wrote:On the evidence of last night, we appear to have a lot of possibility for change within our starting eleven. Why our current set up is sound defensively, our reserve 11 last night showed some subtle changes could bring quite a lot of attacking threat. At Fulham away I reckon we should be going for it - Leaving with zero points isn't the end of the world but 3 could definetely brighten our season up.
In Malky's shoes, this is what I would do -
- Swap Bellamy for Noone. Noone is more dangerous in attack, and he showed his defensive work could aid Taylor significantly
-Swap Gunnarrson for Mutch. I'm a fan of Gunnarrson, I've defended him this weekend. This swap isn't a critiscism, it's just a straight swap of a defensive player for a more offensive player. This would pivot our midfield three from two defensive and one offensive, to one defensive and two offensive.
- Odemwingie to start, with Campbell settling on the right wing. Odemwingie looked more confident holding the ball up front than campbell, who is very much a 'burst of energy' player. Plus Odemwingie and Noone are more up to par with Campbell's speed. A big problem with our attack is Campbell racing away, but Bellamy and Whittingham having to pull up short gasping for breath. Odemwingie, Campbell and Noone would hopefully fix this.
So in summary, my formation would now be this -
Marshall
Theophile, Caulker, Turner, Taylor
Medel
Whittingham, Mutch
Campbell. Noone
Odemwingie
Controversial decision dropping Kim, I know in advance. I'd want Whitts and Kim occupying the same role, and I think Whitts suits the wing focused play more and also Kim could be devestating played as a 60 minute impact sub, his trickery could play havoc with tired legs.
Agree/ disagree? Any other ideas?
I think Odemwingie should be wider and Campbell more central so swap those two positionally. Definitely agree with Mutch for Gunnar - after an early season adrenalin burst, he gave the ball away a lot last Saturday and missed two good chances. I'm not happy with Taylor but don't think there is an alternative other than Super Kev.
i can't agree with Whitts in ahead of Kim. I thought Kim was excellent Saturday whereas Whitts seems inclined to go to sleep on occasions. Sad that many of us are now talking about leaving Bellamy out.
If only Conway was still here to give us hard work and dynamic, goal scoring wing play
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Tyrion Tannister Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:09 pm
I thought 4-4-2 but that would mean another casualty in centre midfield. Campbell would go forward so we'd need a new right winger - probably Cowie. That then means one of Medel, Mutch or Whitts also has to be dropped, and I didnt have the heart for that.
I didn't want to drop Kim, it wasnt a malicious decision. Basically it boiled down to two decisions -
-Whitts and Kim battle for the same spot in that side. Whitts has contributed to the last four goals scored in our premier league campaign, scoring one and assisting three. Kim has yet to earn a scoresheet place.
- Kims play is very much to go through a defender rather than avoid them. The formation I suggested is much more attack orientated. The problem with Kim in this sort of formation is if he tries to go through a player and fails, there's potentially a big hole behind him to be exploited. Whitts on the other hand holds posession better, with much less risk. I want the midfielders retaining the ball and distributing it to the wings, not risking losing it with over zealous play. When we're back to defending 90% of a game against a big team, Kik is straight back in as his risky play can trigger counter attacks.
As I said though, they would both see game time every match. Whitts would start and Kim would play most of the second half.
I didn't want to drop Kim, it wasnt a malicious decision. Basically it boiled down to two decisions -
-Whitts and Kim battle for the same spot in that side. Whitts has contributed to the last four goals scored in our premier league campaign, scoring one and assisting three. Kim has yet to earn a scoresheet place.
- Kims play is very much to go through a defender rather than avoid them. The formation I suggested is much more attack orientated. The problem with Kim in this sort of formation is if he tries to go through a player and fails, there's potentially a big hole behind him to be exploited. Whitts on the other hand holds posession better, with much less risk. I want the midfielders retaining the ball and distributing it to the wings, not risking losing it with over zealous play. When we're back to defending 90% of a game against a big team, Kik is straight back in as his risky play can trigger counter attacks.
As I said though, they would both see game time every match. Whitts would start and Kim would play most of the second half.
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G-ster Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:59 pm
A bit more pace in the team would be useful 'on the break' away from home, so Red's team fits the bill. Although it's a dfficult choice between Whittingham/Kim.
You can bet your house that Malky will adopt a more cautious/conservative approach however.
Fulham are a decent side so a point would be a good outcome.
You can bet your house that Malky will adopt a more cautious/conservative approach however.
Fulham are a decent side so a point would be a good outcome.
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Rhys Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:31 pm
For me - Kim is the star of our squad and thus the team should be built around him.
Kim is the last person I would drop.
Based on current form, I would make two changes.
I can't believe I about to say this but...Cowie for Bellamy
Mutch for Gunnar.
Don't need to mess around to much more otherwise you risk losing your steely foundation.
Kim is the last person I would drop.
Based on current form, I would make two changes.
I can't believe I about to say this but...Cowie for Bellamy
Mutch for Gunnar.
Don't need to mess around to much more otherwise you risk losing your steely foundation.
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Cyncoedslumdog Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:44 pm
Has to be Odemwingie over CowieRhys wrote:For me - Kim is the star of our squad and thus the team should be built around him.
Kim is the last person I would drop.
Based on current form, I would make two changes.
I can't believe I about to say this but...Cowie for Bellamy
Mutch for Gunnar.
Don't need to mess around to much more otherwise you risk losing your steely foundation.
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DrewBlue Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:23 am
I think we're doing ok, we are still getting used to the league and the formation and line up will have a very small bearing on that I think. I would be concerned to drop Gunnar as we have defended so well, with our 2 banks of 4 being almost impenetrable, that I would be afraid to lose that.
Dropping Bellars for Noone sounds like a good idea, fresh legs on the wing would be a great help going forward with Kim and Campbell benefitting. Do remember Odemwingie still isn't match fit yet, he would probably be far better suited for the impact sub role at the moment
Dropping Bellars for Noone sounds like a good idea, fresh legs on the wing would be a great help going forward with Kim and Campbell benefitting. Do remember Odemwingie still isn't match fit yet, he would probably be far better suited for the impact sub role at the moment
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One change for me: Odemwingie in for Bellamy.
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Tyrion Tannister Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:34 pm
Hate to say I told you so...
- Odemwingie on for Bellamy
- Mutch made a big case for why he should of started
- Whitts proved vital oncemore, unlucky to not pocket three assists
Kim had a good game, but Whitts influence was what made us so confident. Honestly , on current form, I know which one I'd keep .
- Odemwingie on for Bellamy
- Mutch made a big case for why he should of started
- Whitts proved vital oncemore, unlucky to not pocket three assists
Kim had a good game, but Whitts influence was what made us so confident. Honestly , on current form, I know which one I'd keep .
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Toast Boy Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:58 am
Hmm your formation did seem to suggest Odemwingie up front and a start for Noone but we will gloss over thatRed614 wrote:Hate to say I told you so...
- Odemwingie on for Bellamy
- Mutch made a big case for why he should of started
- Whitts proved vital oncemore, unlucky to not pocket three assists
Kim had a good game, but Whitts influence was what made us so confident. Honestly , on current form, I know which one I'd keep .
.Definitely right about a number of points though. Bellamy needed to be dropped and Odemwingie given a start and Mutch added to his decent midweek performance by proving he should have more game time at Prem level too.
With an 'on paper' easier home game coming up against Newcastle the only starting change i would make to the line up now would be Mutch in for Gunnarson. See how that works out defensively too then make a decision on whether the formation and line up will work for Chelsea away after the international break.
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Tyrion Tannister Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:29 am
Well obviously if Malky actually listened to me 100% we would be currently revelling over a 9-0 win with Odemwingie, Mutch and Noone hat tricks. (9 Whittingham assists), but I'm willing to forgive him since he took a few of my points on board.
Seriously though, our midfield is a real head scratcher. I want to see Noone, Mutch and Odemwingie play regularly, but to drop anyone from the starting eleven would be incredibly cruel. As I said, I'd want Noone and Campbell on the wings, but that means that Kim, Whitts and Mutch are all battling for the same position right behind our striker. Dropping Gunnarrson allows another spot, but that would be cruel considering the muscle he's added to our defence everytime he plays.
Me personally, at home I would play Gunnarrson in defensive midfield and let Whittingham have the attacking midfield place. Away from home, I'd drop Gunnarrson and play Mutch and Whitts in midfield.
Again I'm ignoring Kim, and that will annoy someone. My personal opinion is we get a little too distracted by now nimble footwork and don't realise that in terms of game changing manoeuvres, he's probably added the least out of those three. Whitts provides goals by spot balls and also rarely concedes posession, Mutch is capable of those passes that split defences. Kim plays nice football, but it rarely delivers in the end. Again , my opinion.
Seriously though, our midfield is a real head scratcher. I want to see Noone, Mutch and Odemwingie play regularly, but to drop anyone from the starting eleven would be incredibly cruel. As I said, I'd want Noone and Campbell on the wings, but that means that Kim, Whitts and Mutch are all battling for the same position right behind our striker. Dropping Gunnarrson allows another spot, but that would be cruel considering the muscle he's added to our defence everytime he plays.
Me personally, at home I would play Gunnarrson in defensive midfield and let Whittingham have the attacking midfield place. Away from home, I'd drop Gunnarrson and play Mutch and Whitts in midfield.
Again I'm ignoring Kim, and that will annoy someone. My personal opinion is we get a little too distracted by now nimble footwork and don't realise that in terms of game changing manoeuvres, he's probably added the least out of those three. Whitts provides goals by spot balls and also rarely concedes posession, Mutch is capable of those passes that split defences. Kim plays nice football, but it rarely delivers in the end. Again , my opinion.
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Toast Boy Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:17 am
Red614 wrote:Well obviously if Malky actually listened to me 100% we would be currently revelling over a 9-0 win with Odemwingie, Mutch and Noone hat tricks. (9 Whittingham assists), but I'm willing to forgive him since he took a few of my points on board.
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Cyncoedslumdog Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:05 pm
I don't see the logic in playing a mainly defensive midfielder at home and swopping him for an attacking one when we are away. Also, Kim would always be in my line up unless he loses form big time.Red614 wrote:Well obviously if Malky actually listened to me 100% we would be currently revelling over a 9-0 win with Odemwingie, Mutch and Noone hat tricks. (9 Whittingham assists), but I'm willing to forgive him since he took a few of my points on board.
Seriously though, our midfield is a real head scratcher. I want to see Noone, Mutch and Odemwingie play regularly, but to drop anyone from the starting eleven would be incredibly cruel. As I said, I'd want Noone and Campbell on the wings, but that means that Kim, Whitts and Mutch are all battling for the same position right behind our striker. Dropping Gunnarrson allows another spot, but that would be cruel considering the muscle he's added to our defence everytime he plays.
Me personally, at home I would play Gunnarrson in defensive midfield and let Whittingham have the attacking midfield place. Away from home, I'd drop Gunnarrson and play Mutch and Whitts in midfield.
Again I'm ignoring Kim, and that will annoy someone. My personal opinion is we get a little too distracted by now nimble footwork and don't realise that in terms of game changing manoeuvres, he's probably added the least out of those three. Whitts provides goals by spot balls and also rarely concedes posession, Mutch is capable of those passes that split defences. Kim plays nice football, but it rarely delivers in the end. Again , my opinion.
A player who is starting to concern me is Campbell. Since Man City his general play has been good but he's missed a number of chances - time to give Maynard a run?
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