Substitutions

On Saturday Newcastle stuck two fingers up to us by blatently cheating in their last minute substitutions. It wasn`t gamesmanship but a cynical use of the subs rule to waste valuable time, not once but twice with the unseemly spectacle in the second change of the referee running across the pitch yelling at the player to hurry up and get off.

Unfortunately this behaviour is becoming more blatant and all to prevalent in the league in fact this week it may have cost us a goal. I keep seeing that referees add 30 seconds per substitution but I do not know if this is a rule, if it is it isn`t strictly applied that`s for sure.

I would imagine that subs were origonaly meant to cover for injuries, ok, but have now become a tactical tool for poor performance and lack of fitness and now timewasting. So what`s to do

1) Maximum time to leave the field of play is 20 seconds from the time the 4th official displays his board
2) Alter or bring in a rule that will allow a player deliberatly dawdling to be RED carded so the substitute could not come on leaving the team with ten men
3) change the rule so that a player has to vacate the playing surface at the nearest point ie sideline or goalline and sit and wait for a member of coaching staff to bring him cover the sub coming on as soon as the linesman signals that he is clear of the line.

4) Make Tacticall substitution illegal after 80 minutes of proper time, not injury, injury to be assessed by qualified DOCTOR. except cup games where extra 30minutes can be played

There ,take your choice or do you experts have better ideas to control this growing menace that can ruin hard fought games.

oldmandan wrote:There ,take your choice or do you experts have better ideas to control this growing menace that can ruin hard fought games.

Depth charges usually sort out the subs, don't they?

There's certainly Scope for Conning which needs to be Torpedoed.

Don't worry, I'll take this seriously

I think there's a far easier solution, that would solve this and every other problem involved with adding on or taking time away. Take a lesson from the Americans and stop the clock when play has paused. It stops when the referee blows his whistle, it starts again when he blows it a second time. It abolishes extra time and makes sure every match is exactly 90 minutes.

Red614 wrote:Don't worry, I'll take this seriously

I think there's a far easier solution, that would solve this and every other problem involved with adding on or taking time away. Take a lesson from the Americans and stop the clock when play has paused. It stops when the referee blows his whistle, it starts again when he blows it a second time. It abolishes extra time and makes sure every match is exactly 90 minutes.

 

There should be a 'match clock' like in the Rugby (I think Union has done this for quite a while and League even longer).

As for the dawdling off the pitch, why don't the players get booked for blatant time wasting?

Yes - 'match clock' is a good idea but we would be robbed of the joy (and horrors) or injury time goals and if the game did stop exactly at 90 mins - this could cause even more problems.

Imagine a team has been pressing for the winner - a forward has caught out a defence on a counter attack, skipped through both centrebacks and is through on goal - one on one - the crowd are on their feet waiting to celebrate and....the ref blows his whistle because the 90 has gone. It was cause an outrage!

Instead, I think a combo of Dan's first two choices are best - give them 20 seconds to get off the pitch or face a red card!

If you run out of time, you run out of time. You could argue the defending team is cheated if the other team scores at 5 seconds past 90 minutes. Only way it's fair is to clearly lay out the rules, 90 minutes and that's it.

Rhys wrote:Yes - 'match clock' is a good idea but we would be robbed of the joy (and horrors) or injury time goals and if the game did stop exactly at 90 mins - this could cause even more problems.

Imagine a team has been pressing for the winner - a forward has caught out a defence on a counter attack, skipped through both centrebacks and is through on goal - one on one - the crowd are on their feet waiting to celebrate and....the ref blows his whistle because the 90 has gone. It was cause an outrage!

Instead, I think a combo of Dan's first two choices are best - give them 20 seconds to get off the pitch or face a red card!

Rugby has solved this problem by allowing play to carry on after full time until the ball goes out of play. If a penalty is conceded during this time it can be taken before the final whistle is blown.
The difficulty is that rugby players tend to accept referees' decisions without question whereas footballers will argue as a matter of course over almost every decision.

Two things I like about rugby: Physio's allowed on the field during play. Kicking the ball out of play to end the game.

I'd favour the red card for dawdling, rather than stopping the clock, simply because stopping the clock still works in the favour of the "offending" team, by breaking the rhythm of a team pressing for a result.  

Gamesmanship generally is becoming more and more prevalent in the modern game and should be stamped on whenever the opportunity presents itself.

TDA wrote:I'd favour the red card for dawdling, rather than stopping the clock, simply because stopping the clock still works in the favour of the "offending" team, by breaking the rhythm of a team pressing for a result.  

Gamesmanship generally is becoming more and more prevalent in the modern game and should be stamped on whenever the opportunity presents itself.

That's a red card as well

Cyncoedslumdog wrote:

TDA wrote:I'd favour the red card for dawdling, rather than stopping the clock, simply because stopping the clock still works in the favour of the "offending" team, by breaking the rhythm of a team pressing for a result.  

Gamesmanship generally is becoming more and more prevalent in the modern game and should be stamped on whenever the opportunity presents itself.

That's a red card as well

QED...... 

Quickly Exits Discussion - not surprised.

Cyncoedslumdog wrote:Quickly Exits Discussion - not surprised.

...........at your age, nothing much should.........